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Owen Paterson who married into royalty is the unelected English autocrat in British Occupied Ireland has a bad back from a riding accident a few years ago in which he very nearly broke his neck just Like his predecessor Brian Faulkner who did and died after introducing internment without trial. Well Paterson has followed Faulkner introducing internment again perhaps and Irish hunter can get the job done properly next time!



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NI Secretary of State blocks Martin Corey release


Mon 9 July 2012, 7:52pm


Sinn Féin’s Raymond McCartney, deputy chair of the Assembly’s Justice Committee [and noted plagiarist! - Ed], may have welcomed today’s Belfast court ruling that the Parole Commissioners had breached former Provisional IRA member Martin Corey’s human rights in refusing to release him, and ordering his release on unconditional bail.  But the Guardian reports that Northern Ireland Secretary of State,Owen Paterson has intervened
Corey had been released on licence in 1992 after serving 19 years for the murder of two policemen.  Former NI Secretary of State Shaun Woodward revoked his licence in 2010 on the basis of “closed material”.  In December last year Corey was granted leave “to seek a judicial review of the decision to revoke his licence over unspecified allegations that he was involved with dissident republicans”.
On Monday, Mr Justice Treacy held there had been a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights which states that anyone deprived of their liberty can have the lawfulness of detention decided speedily by a court.
The judge found that the open evidence did not advance the Northern Ireland Secretary’s case against Corey, meaning that the decision was solely based on closed material.
Mr Justice Treacy also ruled that the Parole Commissioners misdirected themselves in law and failed to provide a sufficient safeguard against the lack of full disclosure.
He stated: “I’m going to remit the matter to the commissioners to reconsider the matter in light of the judgment of the court.”
Corey was also awarded legal costs in bringing the challenge.
While Corey waited in Maghaberry jail to be freed the secretary of state moved to block the release and at around 5.30pm the veteran republican was re-arrested and remains in the prison.
Republican Sinn Féin said the British state was “determined to keep Martin interned at all costs.”
[That'll be the Dark Side, again... - Ed]  Indeed.
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  1. Mister_Joe (profile)
    Slugger regulars won’t need to be told what I think of the IRA, particularly the commanders. And I do support sanctioning people who are released on parole and breach the conditions of their parole. But I think it is unconscionable to detain anyone without specifying any charge and not allowing the person to explain their actions or lack of actions before a court of law. Such a thing brings the law into disrepute.
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  2. tacapall (profile)
    Well Joe their not known as perfidious albion for nothing Im sure he would be up for sale if Nationalist opposition to loyalist parades could be weaned a little, there’s no such thing as coincidence in this place.
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  3. Brian (profile)
    He was out on parole. It’s not like he was just some normal citizen. I think that gives the State more flexibility with how they detain him. I have hard time believing he is that much of a danger that he cannot be released at least on house arrest for the time being.
    If he is involved with those murderous idiots let him rot behind bars, however.
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  4. Mister_Joe (profile)
    ..let him rot behind bars…
    Without due process? That is a dangerous road.
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  5. lamhdearg2 (profile)
    We should be told what he has done, then we can give a view on whether or not he should be kept in.
    This way only garners support for the rejectionists.
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  6. andnowwhat (profile)
    Totally agree with Mister Joe.
    This is not an emergency or time of great threat. There is plenty of space for the normal rule of law.
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  7. Pete Baker (profile)
    “We should be told what he has done, then we can give a view on whether or not he should be kept in.”
    Well, at face value, it would appear that revealing the intelligence that links Corey to his alleged organisational role within the Continuity IRA would jeopardise the safety of those supplying that intelligence.
    Difficult call.
    “This is not an emergency or time of great threat.”
    So you say…
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  8. andnowwhat (profile)
    Pete Baker
    Where is the pressure that does not allow for due process? It’s hardly 1972
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  9. Mister_Joe (profile)
    Pete,
    Are you really suggesting that it is permissible to throw someone who, for all we know, might be innocent into jail in order to protect informers who could be passing false information to keep their lolly rolling in?
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  10. Pete Baker (profile)
    andnowwhat
    Is there an absence of due process?
    Surely today’s ruling proves otherwise.
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  11. Pete Baker (profile)
    And whatever you’re having yourself Joe…
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  12. Mister_Joe (profile)
    Pete,
    If I said that to you I would immediately get a yellow card from you. Suggest you delete.
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  13. Pete Baker (profile)
    Catch yourself on, Joe.
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  14. lamhdearg2 (profile)
    “closed material”.
    Is not good enough, that fact that he is from the irish nat side should not cloud anyones judgement. tomorrow it may be some non aligned whistleblower, the gov and police want locked up.
    I suppose it all boils down to whether or not you have complete trust in the powers that be, I dont.
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  15. Mister_Joe (profile)
    Catch myself on about what? Review the yellow cards you have given me for innocuous comments. (A few were warranted, I admit).
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  16. tacapall (profile)
    Its simply internment by other means,using unidentified information unable to be challenged or viewed in a court of law, A bad sign for democracy and another reason for questioning the usefullness of the assembly if the decisions of their judges can be overturned by a British overlord.
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  17. seamus60 (profilered card
    Just waiting now, can`t be long for Raymond, Gerry and Martin to tell us to take to the streets in protest.
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  18. Dixie Elliott (profile)
    SF should practice what they preached at the SDLP in the past and withdraw from government over this injustice….
    Doubt it very much.
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  19. andnowwhat (profile)
    Pete.
    Due process is an opaque presentation by the judiciary of evidence upon which a judgement is made.
    A judge, a fek’n judge (a better man than you. me, Woodward or Ptterson) said that the criteria was not met. If they’re worried about him, they could stick a spide bangle on his ankle
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  20. Pete Baker (profile)
    And, andnowwhat, that judgement has been delivered.
    Due process, achieved.
    Now we travel onwards…
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  21. andnowwhat (profile)
    Pete Baker
    Substantiate your claim. Show me the evidence against Corey
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  22. andnowwhat (profile)
    BTW Pete Baker
    We’re travelling backwards
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  23. Pete Baker (profile)
    “Substantiate your claim.”
    Of due process?
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  24. sonofstrongbow (profilered card
    I got a yellow card And you stole my comment? More than happy to take the card award but put my comment up you thieving bastids!
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  25. NOT NOW JOHN (profile)
    Due Process of Law
    ‘A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one’s life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, arbitrary, or capricious.’
    The Decision (from UTV link above)
    ‘Mr Justice Treacy held there had been a breach of Article 5 (4) of the European Convention on Human Rights which states that anyone deprived of their liberty can have the lawfulness of detention decided speedily by a court.
    He found that the Secretary of State’s case against Corey was based solely on closed material, and the open allegations either had no factual basis from which they could be rebutted or were insufficiently specific to enable attempts to refute them.
    Mr Justice Treacy also ruled that the Parole Commissioners misdirected themselves in law and failed to provide a sufficient safeguard against the lack of full disclosure.
    He stated: “I’m going to remit the matter to the Commissioners to reconsider the matter in light of the judgment of the court.
    “I propose to release the applicant on unconditional bail.”
    Corey was also awarded legal costs in bringing the challenge.’
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  26. andnowwhat (profile)
    Excellent Not Now John.
    How does Pete react to that?
    Pete, you have not made a case. In fact, you have not even attempted to make a case.
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  27. Mike the First (profile)
    Mister_Joe
    “But I think it is unconscionable to detain anyone without specifying any charge”
    Surely the charge (conviction in fact) is murder.
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  28. sdelaneys (profile)
    Mike the first.
    “Surely the charge (conviction in fact) is murder”
    But he is being held for reasons neither he nor we are allowed to know and neither are the parole commission, not for murder.
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  29. Our old friend, AP stringer Shawn Pogatchnik, appears to have been a little premature with his wire report; perhaps he should have waited until Corey was actually released:
    The Belfast High Court victory for Martin Corey, 61, ends his latest 2-year imprisonment and deals an embarrassing blow to a key power in Britain’s security policy in Northern Ireland.
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  30. Mick Fealty (profile)
    Oh, always the toughest critic Nev… Did you see this coming???
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  31. I didn’t, Mick; I just did a quick Google news trawl with ‘corry justice treacy’ and up popped Shawn, a Talkback messageboard contributor from way back.
    This rush to publish gives a twist to the old saying “A lie is halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on”. Unfortunately, some folks may react to these unintentionally misleading accounts.
    I wonder how many major newspapers carried this AP wire, with or without Shawn’s name – and without the detail of the SoS intervention.
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  32. Well, is the Northern Ireland government going to accept that they can be overrule at will by a foreign power which does not respect the judgement and decision of the judiciary and the law?
    And would such a government be worthy of popular national local support or would they be extraordinarily rendered and outed as cuckolds and puppets with their strings being pulled from afar and across the water?
    And will you be voting them into office again ….. proving that you are equally intellectually challenged/bankrupt/cowed?
    Methinks the likes of such a government as fears to release the grounds on which it detains individuals today, whenever the release of sensitive information and disruptive intelligence is so easy in an instant and immediately become general global knowledge, is one that deserves all that it will subjected to as it battles in vain to defend the indefensible and in so doing, outs its leading fools.
    Take a bow, Owen, you deserve it for services rendered.







Irish news – 24th May
May 24, 2012


Secretary of State Paterson breaks ranks on gay marriage; Donegal clergy to hold protest at referendum; Clogher fund raiser; Day of Personal Renewal and Revival; Limerick Muslim Christian Dialogue; Leaders’ event with Keith Getty; Part-time Family and Pastoral Worker – Monkstown, Connor; C of I parish in Dublin’s city center ‘Camino’ marking Eucharistic Congress; New Wine Sligo Summer Conference 2012;  Bishops would support a day of atonement

Secretary of State Paterson breaks ranks on gay marriage

Politics Home – Owen Paterson MP, the Northern Ireland Secretary of State, has become the first cabinet minister to come out in opposition to gay marriage.

In a letter to a constituent petitioning him to support the legislation, the Northern Ireland Secretary writes: “Having considered this matter carefully, I am afraid I have come to the decision not to support gay marriage…

“The Prime Minister has made clear that he supports equal civil marriage and the Government is rightly consulting widely on this issue before making any changes to the current position.”

He is the first cabinet minister to come out against the principle of the legislation. Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has described it as “a distraction”, but his comments reflected concerns about the timing, rather than the content, of the bill.

Viceroy Paterson will not allow Stormont to Ban Foxhunting

During the debate one Tory, Owen Paterson, likened supporters of the legislation to Nazis. He claimed only 'honest, decent' people went hunting and the alternatives of trapping and snaring were 'hideously cruel'. A ban would do terrible damage to sheep farmers, he said.
Mr Paterson argued that hunts drew young people into a 'social network that will last all their lives'.
He warned Labour MPs: 'Before they troop through the politically correct lobby, brimming with self-righteous bile and spiteful prejudice, they should remember the unhappy precedent of 1936 when the revolting Reichsjaeger Hermann Goering persuaded Hitler to ban hunting.
'We should not create criminals lightly. No-one gained in Germany then. No-one will now. A ban will be an ominous portent of further freedoms to be lost at the hands of an intolerant majority.'

Winston Churchill to Franklin Roosevelt on Internment. ... In the Highest Degree Odious.

The Secretary took part in a 1,000-kilometre race .. across the desolate steppes of Mongolia on semi-wild horses. Gung ho...they hurtled across the wilds, recreating the postal network that had held together Genghis Khan’s vast 13th-century empire......Goading each other with Winston Churchill’s favourite telephone sign-off, KBO – Keep B-------- On – the Patersons were among 11 of the 23 starters to finish. They are also raising money for the Royal Irish Regiment Benevolent Fund.
Internment an instrument of war on a civilian population in wartime, so much for the peace process in occupied ireland then !

British Secretary of State overrules court in Martin Corey case

Posted on July 9, 2012 at 7:20 PM
British Secretary of State overrules court in Martin Corey case

Republican Sinn Féin in a statement on July 9 claimed that the judiciary in the Occupied Six Counties is run by the [British controlled] NI Office after it over-ruled a decision of the courts in relation to Martin Corey.

“The decision of Owen Patterson, British Secretary of State for the Six Counties, to over-rule the Six-County appeals court’s release of Republican veteran Martin Corey (Lurgan) exposes the lengths the British state is prepared to go in order imprison Irish Republicans.

“The rulings of their own courts are to be ignored thereby denying even a semblance of due process to a veteran Republican who has been interned without trial since April 2010.

“Martin’s release was ordered by Justice Treacy on July 9 but by late afternoon, it was obvious to Martin, and everyone else, that he was not being released. At the court the NI Office made no request for an appeal.

“When it comes to dealing with Ireland and the Irish people the British state always reverts to the methods of the coloniser dealing with the colonised. The norms of judicial process and the rule of law are set aside in order to suppress anyone who is prepared to speak out in opposition to British occupation in Ireland.

“The actions of Owen Patterson in denying Martin Corey his freedom gives the lie to any pretence that the Six-County state is a normal democratic state.

“His action represents an attack on the human rights not just of Martin Corey but every person within the Six Counties who would dare to speak out against the status quo”.

Martin Corey case is confirmation of a selective internment policy


Martin Corey
The actions of British NIO minister Owen Paterson, in over-ruling a court’s direction to release Lurgan republican Martin Corey, clearly demonstrates where the real power lies in the Six counties, according to Breandán Mac Cionnaith, the general secretary of the socialist republican party éirígí.

Mac Cionnaith’s comments follow the re-arrest of Martin Corey yesterday evening (July 9), only hours after a court had directed that he should be released unconditionally on bail. Corey has already been imprisoned for over two years without any charges ever being made against him. His previous arrest in 2010 was also ordered by NIO minister Paterson.

Mac Cionnaith said, “The usurping by Owen Paterson of the court’s ruling that Martin Corey should be immediately released is clear confirmation that a British government policy of selective internment without trial is operating within the Six Counties.

“Paterson’s unprecedented intervention, and his ordering of Martin’s re-arrest, is evidence that the so-called policing and justice reforms endorsed by the constitutional nationalist parties at Stormont are nothing more than a piece of political deception of the worst kind.

“Paterson’s actions also demonstrate that the British government remains the real power in the Six Counties and that the role of Stormont politicians is confined only to providing a facade of cosmetic cover to that reality.

“As a party, éirígí is calling for the immediate release of Martin Corey. His case, like that of Marian Price, should be of major concern to all those who value civil liberties and human rights.”

http://www.eirigi.org/latest/latest100712.html 


RNU Demand Release of Martin Corey

Thursday, 07 April 2011 01:36

REPUBLICAN NETWORK FOR UNITY (RNU) Spokesperson, MARTIN ÓG MEEHAN has demanded that Veteran Republican, Martin Corey be released immediately. 

Mr. Meehan said; “Having served nineteen years in Long Kesh as a Political Prisoner Martin Corey was released in 1991. Even after such a lengthy period as a Political Hostage, Martin remained dedicated himself to Irish Republicanism and his community. 

Last April, the respected Lurgan Republican was wrongfully arrested by the rebranded RUC and interned in Maghaberry Gaol at the behest of the British Secret Service, MI5”. 

Mr. Meehan concluded; "After Terry McCafferty had his license revoked RNU pointed out that the British crown was adding internment by fiat or arbitrary revocation of license to its arsenal of repression and that such measures once introduced would be used against others. 

Clearly Martin Corey was the next victim and those within the Nationalist and Republican community who have taken up seats on constabulary boards and partnerships must ask themselves will they continue to be silent partners in these tactics of British repression."




10 July 2012 

'It is totally unacceptable that this fly-by-night British minister – who is not elected by anyone in the North – can imprison someone without placing any evidence or proof before the court'
THE ongoing detention of Lurgan man Martin Corey as British Secretary of State Owen Paterson appeals the Belfast High Court decision that he be released on unconditional bail is an “outrageous’ interference in the judicial process, Sinn Féin has said.
The High Court had ruled Corey's detention is a breach of the European Convention of Human Rights.
Corey, a former republican prisoner, was sentenced to life in prison in 1973 but released on licence in 1992. Two years ago, his licence was revoked by the authorities but British former Secretary of State Shaun Woodward refused to disclose why, saying it was down to “closed material”.
Fermanagh/South Tyrone Seán Lynch MLA said today:
“Owen Paterson’s interference in the judicial system was outrageous and this should never have happened. It is totally unacceptable that this fly-by-night British minister – who is not elected by anyone in the North – can imprison someone without placing any evidence or proof before the court.
“The revoking of licences on the basis of secretive evidence not available to the accused or his solicitor is damaging confidence in the justice system.
“Owen Paterson should now do the right thing, end this pointless legal appeal and allow Martin Corey to return home to his family.”

"But then what would you 
expect from a pig only a
 grunt"  - Old Irish saying

Irish news – 24th May
May 24, 2012

Secretary of State Paterson breaks ranks on gay marriage; Donegal clergy to hold protest at referendum; Clogher fund raiser; Day of Personal Renewal and Revival; Limerick Muslim Christian Dialogue; Leaders’ event with Keith Getty; Part-time Family and Pastoral Worker – Monkstown, Connor; C of I parish in Dublin’s city center ‘Camino’ marking Eucharistic Congress; New Wine Sligo Summer Conference 2012;  Bishops would support a day of atonement   

Secretary of State Paterson breaks ranks on gay marriage

Politics Home – Owen Paterson MP, the Northern Ireland Secretary of State, has become the first cabinet minister to come out in opposition to gay marriage.

In a letter to a constituent petitioning him to support the legislation, the Northern Ireland Secretary writes: “Having considered this matter carefully, I am afraid I have come to the decision not to support gay marriage…

“The Prime Minister has made clear that he supports equal civil marriage and the Government is rightly consulting widely on this issue before making any changes to the current position.”

He is the first cabinet minister to come out against the principle of the legislation. Defence Secretary Philip Hammond has described it as “a distraction”, but his comments reflected concerns about the timing, rather than the content, of the bill.

Viceroy Paterson will not allow Stormont to Ban Foxhunting

During the debate one Tory, Owen Paterson, likened supporters of the legislation to Nazis. He claimed only 'honest, decent' people went hunting and the alternatives of trapping and snaring were 'hideously cruel'. A ban would do terrible damage to sheep farmers, he said.
Mr Paterson argued that hunts drew young people into a 'social network that will last all their lives'.
He warned Labour MPs: 'Before they troop through the politically correct lobby, brimming with self-righteous bile and spiteful prejudice, they should remember the unhappy precedent of 1936 when the revolting Reichsjaeger Hermann Goering persuaded Hitler to ban hunting.
'We should not create criminals lightly. No-one gained in Germany then. No-one will now. A ban will be an ominous portent of further freedoms to be lost at the hands of an intolerant majority.'

Winston Churchill to Franklin Roosevelt on Internment. ... In the Highest Degree Odious. 

The Secretary took part in a 1,000-kilometre race .. across the desolate steppes of Mongolia on semi-wild horses. Gung ho...they hurtled across the wilds, recreating the postal network that had held together Genghis Khan’s vast 13th-century empire......Goading each other with Winston Churchill’s favourite telephone sign-off, KBO – Keep B-------- On – the Patersons were among 11 of the 23 starters to finish. They are also raising money for the Royal Irish Regiment Benevolent Fund.
Internment an instrument of war on a civilian population in wartime, so much for the peace process in British  Occupied Ireland then !


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